Joe and Babe #52: They Came Out, You Should Too!

The Joe and Babe Show -- LIVE!Babe is out this week, helping to judge 1n10’s Halloween Costume Contest, so Joe’s flying solo!  But never fear, we’ve got lots to cover!

This week, we’re joined by two of the five winners of the Phoenix Pride’s 2011 OUTdayPHX Creative Expressions Contest.  Pamela Anders and Erin Clawson both had unique entries in the contest and they also share their personal coming out experiences on this show.  Other winners Deanna Santarelli, Jason Green and Erin Whitney were not able to join us but we hope to talk with them on an upcoming show.

OUTdayPHX 2011Pamela Anders underwent the transition from male to female in the mid-2000s and recently published her book, “Gypsy Moon”, which details the experience of being a truck driver and going through the transition.

Erin Clawson recently came out, and this was her first full year attending Phoenix Pride and Rainbows Festival.  She loves to express herself through writing, and entered a beautiful poem in the OUTdayPHX contest.

Their stories and experiences are moving and unique, and we hope they will inspire you to move forward in your own coming out process.

Pamela’s book, “Gypsy Moon”, is now available through multiple retailers, but the best way to learn more and purchase it is at her website,


The Joe and Babe Show features longtime friends Joe Dugandzic and Babe Caylor and features guests from our local community.  You can hear the show LIVE every Wednesday night on QTalk Arizona.  Live listening links and more information is always available at